The former U.S. Treasury secretary on China's economy, bitcoin, and the problem with new ideas.
- By Isaac Stone FishIsaac Stone Fish is Asia editor at Foreign Policy, where he edits, reports, and writes stories from across the region. Previously a Beijing correspondent for Newsweek, Isaac wrote stories on such subjects as the Dalai Lama’s effect on international trade, China’s love affair with rogue states, and crystal meth in North Korea, a country he has visited twice. A fluent Mandarin speaker, Isaac spent seven years living in China prior to joining FP; he has traveled widely in the region and in China. His articles have also appeared in the New York Times, the Economist, the Washington Post, and the Los Angeles Times, and he has appeared as a commentator on MSNBC, BBC, NPR, Al-Jazeera, and PRI, among others.
What is happening to the Chinese economy? After averaging roughly 10 percent annually for three decades, the pace of GDP growth began to slow in 2012 — and may drop into the low single digits in a few years. Pessimists say the country could face a hard landing or even long-term stagnation. But Hank Paulson, who as U.S. treasury secretary stewarded the American economy through the darkest days of the financial crisis and now runs the Paulson Institute, a think tank that promotes cooperation between the United States and China, remains cautiously optimistic about China’s long-term prospects — so long as it implements important reforms. After all, ebbs and flows are all part of the game. "As long as you have financial markets and banks, there will be financial crises," Paulson says. Interviewed in his Chicago office in February, Paulson talked about what Beijing needs to do to avoid its own Great Recession — and more.
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Like so much of the rest of the world, the Chinese watched in horror as the financial crisis began because they had been working hard at best practices and they thought that the United States had the right model. I’ve worked extensively with the Chinese leadership and with Wang Qishan [China’s top anti-corruption official], and we have a good working relationship. When I was pressing them very hard on their financial-market reform, Wang very nicely said to me, "You used to be our teacher, but right now, our teacher doesn’t look quite as wise."
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The Chinese economy is too big and too complex to be run by this jerry-rigged structure of a combination of state-planning and markets. I have no doubt the Chinese leadership knows what the big economic issues are. They know they need a different economic model — one that’s less dependent on investment and exports — and to move to normalize the labor market, reform the capital markets and the municipal finance system. The 100 percent issue on my mind is, are they going to be able to solve these problems? Because reforms haven’t been done for so long. The scale of their challenges is truly awesome.
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When you step back and look at this in a bigger context, one of the huge problems China faces is that they need to modernize their government. They don’t have the institutions they need to govern. China is a country ruled by men more than laws.
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The reform debate in China is mostly a conflict between those who want to reform domestically and those who want to open up to foreign competition. In my judgment, the true reformers are those who want to open up to competition, because that’s the only way China is going to realize its economic potential — and it’s also only fair to the rest of the world.
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China invests in our Treasurys because it is in their interest to do so. As important as that is, I would much rather see investable dollars going into something that’s more permanent: investment in greenfield plants that create jobs or acquiring failed or failing companies.
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I think people have to be very careful with new ideas. If something is a bad idea, you never really need to worry about it too much. It will come and go and maybe do a little bit of damage — some people will lose some money — but it’s not a big thing. What you need to worry about is when you have something that’s a really good idea, but you get too much of it too fast, like over-the-counter derivatives. Complexity and innovation are not always good things. I haven’t studied Bitcoin in detail, but even if I had, I’d be very careful with anything that volatile.
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For those who say, "Well, Washington is just more poisonous than it’s ever been," they just don’t know their history. I went to work in the Nixon White House six weeks before the Watergate break-in, so I saw a little bit of poison. It’s not unusual for there to be periods like this, and I’m more optimistic than some that we will get our political act together.
Blake Hounshell is managing editor at Foreign Policy, having formerly been Web editor. Hounshell oversees ForeignPolicy.com and has commissioned and edited numerous cover stories for the print magazine, including National Magazine Award finalist "Why Do They Hate Us?" by Mona Eltahawy. He also edits The Cable, FP's first foray into daily original reporting, and was editor of Colum Lynch's Turtle Bay, which in 2011 won a National Magazine award for best reporting in a digital format.
Blake joined Foreign Policy in 2006 after living in Cairo, where he studied Arabic, missed his Steelers finally win one for the thumb, and worked for the Ibn Khaldun Center for Development Studies. Blake was a 2011 finalist for the Livingston Awards prize for young journalists for his reporting on the Arab uprisings, and his Twitter feed was named one of Time magazine's "140 Best Twitter Feeds of 2011." Under his leadership, in 2008, Passport, FP's flagship blog, won Media Industry Newsletter's "Best of the Web" award in the blog category. Along with Elizabeth Dickinson, he edited Southern Tiger: Chile's Fight for a Democratic and Prosperous Future, the memoirs of former Chilean president Ricardo Lagos, published by Palgrave Macmillan in 2012.
A graduate of Yale University, Blake speaks mangled Arabic and French, is an avid runner, and lives in Washington with his wife, musician Sandy Choi, and their toddler, David. Follow him on Twitter @blakehounshell.| Passport |