MUST-READ FOR THE DAY: It’s
MUST-READ FOR THE DAY: It’s actually from last month — a New York Times translation of a Der Spiegel interview with German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer. It’s extraordinary for several reasons. The first is Fischer’s claim about the neocon vision of a post-9/11 world: FISCHER: Ever since September 18th or 19th, 2001, when Deputy Secretary ...
MUST-READ FOR THE DAY: It's actually from last month -- a New York Times translation of a Der Spiegel interview with German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer. It's extraordinary for several reasons. The first is Fischer's claim about the neocon vision of a post-9/11 world:
MUST-READ FOR THE DAY: It’s actually from last month — a New York Times translation of a Der Spiegel interview with German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer. It’s extraordinary for several reasons. The first is Fischer’s claim about the neocon vision of a post-9/11 world:
FISCHER: Ever since September 18th or 19th, 2001, when Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz in Washington roughly outlined for me what he thought the answer to international terrorism had to be. SPIEGEL: And? FISCHER: His view was that the US had to liberate a whole string of countries from their terrorist rulers, if necessary by force. Ultimately a new world order would come out of this – more democracy, peace, stability, and security for people.
For the record, Wolfowitz vehemently denies he said this to Fischer. He wrote a letter to the editor in which he states, “I have never held the view the Foreign Minister attributes to me and did not express such a view in our meeting of Sept. 19, 2001, as the official notes of that meeting make clear.” Given Fischer’s apparent preference for public dissembling and private truth-telling, I tend to believe Wolfowitz on this one. Then there’s this exchange:
SPIEGEL: The neo-conservatives who are in charge in Washington will probably write off your constant insistence on international regulations and institutions as Old European thinking. FISCHER: The American political scientist Robert Kagan has developed a bizarre image: Europeans come from Venus and indulge in the dream of perpetual peace, while Americans are from Mars, and faced with the hard realities of the wolf’s den of international politics, they stand and fight, all against all. Anyone who knows European history knows about the many wars we’ve had here. The Americans had no Verdun on their continent. In the US there is nothing comparable to Auschwitz or Stalingrad or any of the other terrible symbolic places in our history. SPIEGEL: All of them were catastrophes in which the Americans were on the right side.
Really, I recommend reading the entire article — the Der Spiegel interviewer gives Fisher a pretty good grilling. I came away from the read depressed about Europe’s map of the future. Fischer admits that “Europeans at their end started to hold strategic discussions too late. We have to catch up now.” However, I can’t divine any underlying social purpose behind Fisher’s call for a strategic vision beyond constraining American power.
Daniel W. Drezner is a professor of international politics at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University and co-host of the Space the Nation podcast. Twitter: @dandrezner
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