John Kerry reminds us why he lost in 2004
From David Stout, “Kerry and G.O.P. Spar Over Iraq Remarks,” New York Times, October 31, 2006: Debate over the Iraq war seemed to reach a new intensity today, with President Bush and other Republicans accusing Senator John Kerry of insulting rank-and-file American troops and Mr. Kerry, a Massachusetts Democrat, lashing back at some of his ...
From David Stout, "Kerry and G.O.P. Spar Over Iraq Remarks," New York Times, October 31, 2006: Debate over the Iraq war seemed to reach a new intensity today, with President Bush and other Republicans accusing Senator John Kerry of insulting rank-and-file American troops and Mr. Kerry, a Massachusetts Democrat, lashing back at some of his critics as ?assorted right-wing nut jobs.? The latest flap, in which Mr. Kerry accused Republicans of distorting what he said on the West Coast on Monday, was another example of the heated rhetoric surrounding the war issue as the Congressional elections approach. President Bush said Monday that a Democratic triumph in the races for the House and Senate would amount to a victory for terrorists. Mr. Kerry, the 2004 Democratic presidential candidate who is believed to be considering another run for the White House in 2008, set the stage for bitter back-and-forth as he addressed a gathering at Pasadena City College in California. The senator, who was campaigning for the Democratic gubernatorial candidate, Phil Angelides, opened with several one-liners, joking at one point that President Bush had lived in Texas but now ?lives in a state of denial.? Then, Mr. Kerry said: ?You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don?t, you get stuck in Iraq.? President Bush, campaigning this afternoon in Georgia for a Republican House candidate, condemned Mr. Kerry?s remarks as ?insulting and shameful.? ?The men and women who serve in our all-volunteer armed forces are plenty smart and are serving because they are patriots ? and Senator Kerry owes them an apology,? Mr. Bush said, according to the White House. Earlier today, Mr. Kerry?s remarks were denounced by Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona and, like Mr. Kerry, a veteran of the Vietnam conflict, as well as by a group of House Republicans. ?Senator Kerry owes an apology to the many thousands of Americans serving in Iraq, who answered their country?s call because they are patriots and not because of any deficiencies in their education,? Mr. McCain said. Mr. McCain said any suggestion that only the poorly educated would agree to serve in Iraq is ?an insult to every soldier serving in combat.?.... But if anyone should apologize, Mr. Kerry said, it is President Bush and his administration officials who started the ill-conceived war. He said his remarks, which he conceded were part of a ?botched joke,? had been distorted and called the criticism directed at him the work of ?assorted right-wing nut jobs and right-wing talk show hosts.? (emphasis added) [OK, on a gut level this is pretty offensive to someone in the military. But is Kerry right about a lack of education being correlated with military enrollment?--ed.] The evidence seems mixed. Consider this Terry Neal summary in the Washington Post from last year: David R. Segal, director of the Center for Research on Military Organizations at the University of Maryland, said contrary to conventional wisdom both the poorest and the wealthiest people are underrepresented at the bottom of the military ranks, for completely different reasons. This trend held for both from the conscription years of Vietnam through at least the late 1990s. Poorer people, he said, are likely to be kept out of the military by a range of factors, including higher likelihood of having a criminal record or academic deficiencies or health problems. Back during Vietnam, "the top [economic class] had access for means of staying out of the military," said Segal. "The National Guard was known to be a well-to-do white man's club back then. People knew if you if joined the guard you weren't going to go to Vietnam. That included people like Dan Quayle and our current commander in chief. If you were rich, you might have found it easier to get a doctor to certify you as having a condition that precluded you from service. You could get a medical deferment with braces on your teeth, so you would go get braces -- something that was very expensive back then. The wealthy had more access to educational and occupational deferments." Today's affluent merely see themselves as having more options and are not as enticed by financial incentives, such as money for college, Segal said. The Army was able to provide socioeconomic data only for the 2002 fiscal year. Its numbers confirm Segal's findings that service members in the highest and lowest income brackets are underrepresented, but because those numbers chronicle enlistments in the year immediately following the 2001 terrorist attacks, it's difficult to ascertain whether this was a normal recruiting year. Also of note: Jerald G. Bachman, Peter Freedman-Doan, Patrick M. O'Malley, "Should U.S. Military Recruiters Write Off the College-Bound?" Armed Forces & Society 27 (July 2001): 461 - 476: This article examines trends and relationships involving high school seniors' military service plans, their college plans, and their actual entry into military service. Cross-sectional and longitudinal data from the Monitoring the Future project show that, although individuals planning to complete college are less likely than average to plan on military service, the upward trend in college plans cannot account for many of the year-to-year changes in military propensity. Moreover, it now appears that the majority of young men expecting to enter military service also expect to complete a four-year college program. Most important, planning for college does not reduce enlistment rates among high propensity males, although for some of them it may delay entry by several years. These findings suggest that educational incentives for military service are now particularly important, given the high proportions of potential recruits with college aspirations. And, finally, Meredith A. Kleykamp, "College, Jobs, or the Military? Enlistment During a Time of War," Social Science Quarterly 87 (June 2006): This article questions what factors are associated with joining the military after high school rather than attending college, joining the civilian labor force, or doing some other activity. Three areas of influence on military enlistment are highlighted: educational goals, the institutional presence of the military in communities, and race and socioeconomic status. The analysis uses data from a recent cohort of high school graduates from the State of Texas in 2002, when the United States was at war, and employs multinomial logistic regression to model the correlates of post-high-school choice of activity in this cohort. Results confirm the hypothesis that a higher military institutional presence increases the odds of enlisting in the military relative to enrolling in college, becoming employed, or doing some other activity after high school. Additionally, college aspirations are clearly associated with the decision to enroll in college versus enlist and also increase the odds of joining the military rather than the civilian labor market, or remaining idle. Unlike previous studies, few racial and ethnic differences are found. Voluntary military enlistment during wartime is associated with college aspirations, lower socioeconomic status, and living in an area with a high military presence. Tim Kane, "Who Are the Recruits? The Demographic Characteristics of U.S. Military Enlistment, 2003?2005" Heritage Center for Data Analysis: [I]t is commonly claimed that the military relies on recruits from poorer neighborhoods because the wealthy will not risk death in war. This claim has been advanced without any rigorous evidence. Our review of Pen?tagon enlistee data shows that the only group that is lowering its participation in the military is the poor. The percentage of recruits from the poorest American neighborhoods (with one-fifth of the U.S. population) declined from 18 percent in 1999 to 14.6 percent in 2003, 14.1 percent in 2004, and 13.7 percent in 2005.... the additional years of recruit data (2004?2005) sup?port the previous finding that U.S. military recruits are more similar than dissimilar to the American youth population. The slight dif?ferences are that wartime U.S. mil?itary enlistees are better educated, wealthier, and more rural on aver?age than their civilian peers. Recruits have a higher percent?age of high school graduates and representation from Southern and rural areas. Anyway, although I do like the description of Rush Limbaugh as "doughy," perhaps it would be best for the Dems if they took Kerry and locked him in a closet for the rest of the week. UPDATE: Here's Kerry's explanation in fuller detail: My statement yesterday -- and the White House knows this full well -- was a botched joke about the president and the president's people, not about the troops. The White House's attempt to distort my true statement is a remarkable testament to their abject failure in making America safe. OK, so the line as Kerry says he intended it is not as offensive as the New York Times story suggests. YouTube has video of Kerry making the quote in context. The title to this post still stands, however -- this is a classic replay of Kerry's "global test" statement during the 2004 presidential debates. As Andrew Sullivan puts it: He may not have meant it the way it came out. That doesn't matter. It's wrong to talk about the military that way - wrong morally, empirically and ethically. And the way he said it can be construed as a patronizing snub to the men and women whose lives are on the line. It's also dumb politically not to kill this off in one news cycle. Is Kerry not content to lose just one election? Does his enormous ego have to insist on losing two?
From David Stout, “Kerry and G.O.P. Spar Over Iraq Remarks,” New York Times, October 31, 2006:
Debate over the Iraq war seemed to reach a new intensity today, with President Bush and other Republicans accusing Senator John Kerry of insulting rank-and-file American troops and Mr. Kerry, a Massachusetts Democrat, lashing back at some of his critics as ?assorted right-wing nut jobs.? The latest flap, in which Mr. Kerry accused Republicans of distorting what he said on the West Coast on Monday, was another example of the heated rhetoric surrounding the war issue as the Congressional elections approach. President Bush said Monday that a Democratic triumph in the races for the House and Senate would amount to a victory for terrorists. Mr. Kerry, the 2004 Democratic presidential candidate who is believed to be considering another run for the White House in 2008, set the stage for bitter back-and-forth as he addressed a gathering at Pasadena City College in California. The senator, who was campaigning for the Democratic gubernatorial candidate, Phil Angelides, opened with several one-liners, joking at one point that President Bush had lived in Texas but now ?lives in a state of denial.? Then, Mr. Kerry said: ?You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don?t, you get stuck in Iraq.? President Bush, campaigning this afternoon in Georgia for a Republican House candidate, condemned Mr. Kerry?s remarks as ?insulting and shameful.? ?The men and women who serve in our all-volunteer armed forces are plenty smart and are serving because they are patriots ? and Senator Kerry owes them an apology,? Mr. Bush said, according to the White House. Earlier today, Mr. Kerry?s remarks were denounced by Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona and, like Mr. Kerry, a veteran of the Vietnam conflict, as well as by a group of House Republicans. ?Senator Kerry owes an apology to the many thousands of Americans serving in Iraq, who answered their country?s call because they are patriots and not because of any deficiencies in their education,? Mr. McCain said. Mr. McCain said any suggestion that only the poorly educated would agree to serve in Iraq is ?an insult to every soldier serving in combat.?…. But if anyone should apologize, Mr. Kerry said, it is President Bush and his administration officials who started the ill-conceived war. He said his remarks, which he conceded were part of a ?botched joke,? had been distorted and called the criticism directed at him the work of ?assorted right-wing nut jobs and right-wing talk show hosts.? (emphasis added)
[OK, on a gut level this is pretty offensive to someone in the military. But is Kerry right about a lack of education being correlated with military enrollment?–ed.] The evidence seems mixed. Consider this Terry Neal summary in the Washington Post from last year:
David R. Segal, director of the Center for Research on Military Organizations at the University of Maryland, said contrary to conventional wisdom both the poorest and the wealthiest people are underrepresented at the bottom of the military ranks, for completely different reasons. This trend held for both from the conscription years of Vietnam through at least the late 1990s. Poorer people, he said, are likely to be kept out of the military by a range of factors, including higher likelihood of having a criminal record or academic deficiencies or health problems. Back during Vietnam, “the top [economic class] had access for means of staying out of the military,” said Segal. “The National Guard was known to be a well-to-do white man’s club back then. People knew if you if joined the guard you weren’t going to go to Vietnam. That included people like Dan Quayle and our current commander in chief. If you were rich, you might have found it easier to get a doctor to certify you as having a condition that precluded you from service. You could get a medical deferment with braces on your teeth, so you would go get braces — something that was very expensive back then. The wealthy had more access to educational and occupational deferments.” Today’s affluent merely see themselves as having more options and are not as enticed by financial incentives, such as money for college, Segal said. The Army was able to provide socioeconomic data only for the 2002 fiscal year. Its numbers confirm Segal’s findings that service members in the highest and lowest income brackets are underrepresented, but because those numbers chronicle enlistments in the year immediately following the 2001 terrorist attacks, it’s difficult to ascertain whether this was a normal recruiting year.
Also of note: Jerald G. Bachman, Peter Freedman-Doan, Patrick M. O’Malley, “Should U.S. Military Recruiters Write Off the College-Bound?” Armed Forces & Society 27 (July 2001): 461 – 476:
This article examines trends and relationships involving high school seniors’ military service plans, their college plans, and their actual entry into military service. Cross-sectional and longitudinal data from the Monitoring the Future project show that, although individuals planning to complete college are less likely than average to plan on military service, the upward trend in college plans cannot account for many of the year-to-year changes in military propensity. Moreover, it now appears that the majority of young men expecting to enter military service also expect to complete a four-year college program. Most important, planning for college does not reduce enlistment rates among high propensity males, although for some of them it may delay entry by several years. These findings suggest that educational incentives for military service are now particularly important, given the high proportions of potential recruits with college aspirations.
And, finally, Meredith A. Kleykamp, “College, Jobs, or the Military? Enlistment During a Time of War,” Social Science Quarterly 87 (June 2006):
This article questions what factors are associated with joining the military after high school rather than attending college, joining the civilian labor force, or doing some other activity. Three areas of influence on military enlistment are highlighted: educational goals, the institutional presence of the military in communities, and race and socioeconomic status. The analysis uses data from a recent cohort of high school graduates from the State of Texas in 2002, when the United States was at war, and employs multinomial logistic regression to model the correlates of post-high-school choice of activity in this cohort. Results confirm the hypothesis that a higher military institutional presence increases the odds of enlisting in the military relative to enrolling in college, becoming employed, or doing some other activity after high school. Additionally, college aspirations are clearly associated with the decision to enroll in college versus enlist and also increase the odds of joining the military rather than the civilian labor market, or remaining idle. Unlike previous studies, few racial and ethnic differences are found. Voluntary military enlistment during wartime is associated with college aspirations, lower socioeconomic status, and living in an area with a high military presence.
Tim Kane, “Who Are the Recruits? The Demographic Characteristics of U.S. Military Enlistment, 2003?2005” Heritage Center for Data Analysis:
[I]t is commonly claimed that the military relies on recruits from poorer neighborhoods because the wealthy will not risk death in war. This claim has been advanced without any rigorous evidence. Our review of Pen?tagon enlistee data shows that the only group that is lowering its participation in the military is the poor. The percentage of recruits from the poorest American neighborhoods (with one-fifth of the U.S. population) declined from 18 percent in 1999 to 14.6 percent in 2003, 14.1 percent in 2004, and 13.7 percent in 2005…. the additional years of recruit data (2004?2005) sup?port the previous finding that U.S. military recruits are more similar than dissimilar to the American youth population. The slight dif?ferences are that wartime U.S. mil?itary enlistees are better educated, wealthier, and more rural on aver?age than their civilian peers. Recruits have a higher percent?age of high school graduates and representation from Southern and rural areas.
Anyway, although I do like the description of Rush Limbaugh as “doughy,” perhaps it would be best for the Dems if they took Kerry and locked him in a closet for the rest of the week. UPDATE: Here’s Kerry’s explanation in fuller detail:
My statement yesterday — and the White House knows this full well — was a botched joke about the president and the president’s people, not about the troops. The White House’s attempt to distort my true statement is a remarkable testament to their abject failure in making America safe.
OK, so the line as Kerry says he intended it is not as offensive as the New York Times story suggests. YouTube has video of Kerry making the quote in context. The title to this post still stands, however — this is a classic replay of Kerry’s “global test” statement during the 2004 presidential debates. As Andrew Sullivan puts it: He
may not have meant it the way it came out. That doesn’t matter. It’s wrong to talk about the military that way – wrong morally, empirically and ethically. And the way he said it can be construed as a patronizing snub to the men and women whose lives are on the line. It’s also dumb politically not to kill this off in one news cycle. Is Kerry not content to lose just one election? Does his enormous ego have to insist on losing two?
Daniel W. Drezner is a professor of international politics at the Fletcher School at Tufts University and the author of The Ideas Industry. Twitter: @dandrezner
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